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		<title>By: Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-129305</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.. Really interesting and cabinets. I like the most dish-rack on which we hang dishes , plates etc. I have also brought dish-rack couple of days ago which consist white color.</description>
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		<title>By: Luxury Homes Magazine</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-64899</link>
		<dc:creator>Luxury Homes Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] does not have to be a time sink. Or an energy hog.   Reprint by permission at GreenBuildingElements Via Dezeen number of view: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher from Adelaide</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-48566</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher from Adelaide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael, Sean, Rob, Sandford, Leon: Pull your heads in. It is possible to critique a design constructively without insulting the designer. I don&#039;t discount that there is truth in some of your criticisms, but why not try offering solutions rather than throwing out the whole idea?
For example:
Could the system incorporate another removable rotor at the bottom?
Include a simple rubber/silicon seal with clips/locks that shut it off when they are opened as a safety feature? Or make the system pressurised with a valve that shuts off if there is a reduction in pressure?
If you hang the racks over the sink&#039;s draining rack you will have less risk of issues with mold and water damage.
Feel free to criticise these suggestions, but remember that sometimes the silliest, most unrealistic suggestions result in the most profound solutions if they are explored before they are dismissed. 

@Leon: this design is clearly about function, not aesthetics, so don&#039;t pick on the presentation. You can order one in green and put tiles on your wall if you don&#039;t like modernist minimalism. Also, you complain about wasted space but it uses up MUCH less room (and embodied energy) than the sink+washer+storage combo it is designed to replace. Most people cannot afford/justify a restaurant washer, and handwashing - though efficient - is time consuming.
@Sean: True. But you keep telling yourself that most everyday consumers in developed countries will all quickly go back to basic, sustainable activities instead of high-tech, low-effort solutions. In the mean time, some of us will be working on ideas to reduce the footprint of said consumers and try to wean them off their unsustainable consumption without ham-fisted cold-turkey demands. Meet you half way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael, Sean, Rob, Sandford, Leon: Pull your heads in. It is possible to critique a design constructively without insulting the designer. I don&#8217;t discount that there is truth in some of your criticisms, but why not try offering solutions rather than throwing out the whole idea?<br />
For example:<br />
Could the system incorporate another removable rotor at the bottom?<br />
Include a simple rubber/silicon seal with clips/locks that shut it off when they are opened as a safety feature? Or make the system pressurised with a valve that shuts off if there is a reduction in pressure?<br />
If you hang the racks over the sink&#8217;s draining rack you will have less risk of issues with mold and water damage.<br />
Feel free to criticise these suggestions, but remember that sometimes the silliest, most unrealistic suggestions result in the most profound solutions if they are explored before they are dismissed. </p>
<p>@Leon: this design is clearly about function, not aesthetics, so don&#8217;t pick on the presentation. You can order one in green and put tiles on your wall if you don&#8217;t like modernist minimalism. Also, you complain about wasted space but it uses up MUCH less room (and embodied energy) than the sink+washer+storage combo it is designed to replace. Most people cannot afford/justify a restaurant washer, and handwashing &#8211; though efficient &#8211; is time consuming.<br />
@Sean: True. But you keep telling yourself that most everyday consumers in developed countries will all quickly go back to basic, sustainable activities instead of high-tech, low-effort solutions. In the mean time, some of us will be working on ideas to reduce the footprint of said consumers and try to wean them off their unsustainable consumption without ham-fisted cold-turkey demands. Meet you half way.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher from Adelaide</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-99711</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher from Adelaide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael, Sean, Rob, Sandford, Leon: Pull your heads in. It is possible to critique a design constructively without insulting the designer. I don&#039;t discount that there is truth in some of your criticisms, but why not try offering solutions rather than throwing out the whole idea?
For example:
Could the system incorporate another removable rotor at the bottom?
Include a simple rubber/silicon seal with clips/locks that shut it off when they are opened as a safety feature? Or make the system pressurised with a valve that shuts off if there is a reduction in pressure?
If you hang the racks over the sink&#039;s draining rack you will have less risk of issues with mold and water damage.
Feel free to criticise these suggestions, but remember that sometimes the silliest, most unrealistic suggestions result in the most profound solutions if they are explored before they are dismissed. 

@Leon: this design is clearly about function, not aesthetics, so don&#039;t pick on the presentation. You can order one in green and put tiles on your wall if you don&#039;t like modernist minimalism. Also, you complain about wasted space but it uses up MUCH less room (and embodied energy) than the sink+washer+storage combo it is designed to replace. Most people cannot afford/justify a restaurant washer, and handwashing - though efficient - is time consuming.
@Sean: True. But you keep telling yourself that most everyday consumers in developed countries will all quickly go back to basic, sustainable activities instead of high-tech, low-effort solutions. In the mean time, some of us will be working on ideas to reduce the footprint of said consumers and try to wean them off their unsustainable consumption without ham-fisted cold-turkey demands. Meet you half way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael, Sean, Rob, Sandford, Leon: Pull your heads in. It is possible to critique a design constructively without insulting the designer. I don&#8217;t discount that there is truth in some of your criticisms, but why not try offering solutions rather than throwing out the whole idea?<br />
For example:<br />
Could the system incorporate another removable rotor at the bottom?<br />
Include a simple rubber/silicon seal with clips/locks that shut it off when they are opened as a safety feature? Or make the system pressurised with a valve that shuts off if there is a reduction in pressure?<br />
If you hang the racks over the sink&#8217;s draining rack you will have less risk of issues with mold and water damage.<br />
Feel free to criticise these suggestions, but remember that sometimes the silliest, most unrealistic suggestions result in the most profound solutions if they are explored before they are dismissed. </p>
<p>@Leon: this design is clearly about function, not aesthetics, so don&#8217;t pick on the presentation. You can order one in green and put tiles on your wall if you don&#8217;t like modernist minimalism. Also, you complain about wasted space but it uses up MUCH less room (and embodied energy) than the sink+washer+storage combo it is designed to replace. Most people cannot afford/justify a restaurant washer, and handwashing &#8211; though efficient &#8211; is time consuming.<br />
@Sean: True. But you keep telling yourself that most everyday consumers in developed countries will all quickly go back to basic, sustainable activities instead of high-tech, low-effort solutions. In the mean time, some of us will be working on ideas to reduce the footprint of said consumers and try to wean them off their unsustainable consumption without ham-fisted cold-turkey demands. Meet you half way.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Jester</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-41590</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s ugly. It&#039;s too small to be effective.

The design doesn&#039;t take into account efficient use of kitchen space, beaucoup cubic feet are wasted, something that won&#039;t happen in a modern kitchen. Heck, it didn&#039;t happen in old kitchens.

Unpainted, un-sealed concrete walls? Right.

Others have posted regarding how dishwashers REALLY work and on the health aspects.

All in all, a restaurant washer would work much better. Handwashing, as pointed out above, would be much more efficient.

Effective design grade: F.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ugly. It&#8217;s too small to be effective.</p>
<p>The design doesn&#8217;t take into account efficient use of kitchen space, beaucoup cubic feet are wasted, something that won&#8217;t happen in a modern kitchen. Heck, it didn&#8217;t happen in old kitchens.</p>
<p>Unpainted, un-sealed concrete walls? Right.</p>
<p>Others have posted regarding how dishwashers REALLY work and on the health aspects.</p>
<p>All in all, a restaurant washer would work much better. Handwashing, as pointed out above, would be much more efficient.</p>
<p>Effective design grade: F.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Jester</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-99710</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s ugly. It&#039;s too small to be effective.

The design doesn&#039;t take into account efficient use of kitchen space, beaucoup cubic feet are wasted, something that won&#039;t happen in a modern kitchen. Heck, it didn&#039;t happen in old kitchens.

Unpainted, un-sealed concrete walls? Right.

Others have posted regarding how dishwashers REALLY work and on the health aspects.

All in all, a restaurant washer would work much better. Handwashing, as pointed out above, would be much more efficient.

Effective design grade: F.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ugly. It&#8217;s too small to be effective.</p>
<p>The design doesn&#8217;t take into account efficient use of kitchen space, beaucoup cubic feet are wasted, something that won&#8217;t happen in a modern kitchen. Heck, it didn&#8217;t happen in old kitchens.</p>
<p>Unpainted, un-sealed concrete walls? Right.</p>
<p>Others have posted regarding how dishwashers REALLY work and on the health aspects.</p>
<p>All in all, a restaurant washer would work much better. Handwashing, as pointed out above, would be much more efficient.</p>
<p>Effective design grade: F.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanford</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-41014</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to beat the horse to death but the thumbs down is correct for all the reasons stated plus the unlikelyhood of the design being rigid enough to maintain a good seal
sanford</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to beat the horse to death but the thumbs down is correct for all the reasons stated plus the unlikelyhood of the design being rigid enough to maintain a good seal<br />
sanford</p>
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		<title>By: Sanford</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-99709</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to beat the horse to death but the thumbs down is correct for all the reasons stated plus the unlikelyhood of the design being rigid enough to maintain a good seal
sanford</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to beat the horse to death but the thumbs down is correct for all the reasons stated plus the unlikelyhood of the design being rigid enough to maintain a good seal<br />
sanford</p>
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		<title>By: Rob from NC</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-40993</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob from NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Michael.

It is a flawed design from a health perspective.  While it may &quot;look pretty&quot; (*NOT!*) it is not going to work.

Deep objects such as glasses, jars and bowls must be either filled/emptied/rinsed/drained, or washed from the bottom.  A standard dishwasher design sprays from the bottom, into the upside-down glasses, thus ensuring that the soap and water reaches all crevices, then drains back out.  Likewise the rinse sprays up from the bottom and drains out.  If the water sprays from the top only, it will either *not* reach the inside of glasses or bowls, or not drain out.  Either one is a formula for food poisoning.

Also, modern dishwashers are water and energy efficient in that they pressurize the water to ensure that the rotary spray (from the bottom) is sufficient to loosen dried on food. This cuts down on the need to pre-wash dishes and allows fewer runs of the dishwasher since you can wait to wash only when the machine is full.  In order to ensure thorough cleaning with this design, it would be necessary to either (1) pre-wash/rinse the dishes - in which case it would be more economical to hand-wash (I&#039;m with Sean on this one); or (2) wash partial loads immediately after each meal/snack, cup of coffee - which would be wasteful of water.

&quot;Green&quot; energy and water conservation are excellent, and we all need to do what we can and simplicity in design and technology is admirable.  Unfortunately this is a case of a *deeply* flawed, poorly considered design that is in fact *more* wasteful then the &quot;complex&quot; tech it proposes to replace.  The added danger of leaving the user in danger of critically harming their own health is an added detraction, although some might just consider that evolution in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Michael.</p>
<p>It is a flawed design from a health perspective.  While it may &#8220;look pretty&#8221; (*NOT!*) it is not going to work.</p>
<p>Deep objects such as glasses, jars and bowls must be either filled/emptied/rinsed/drained, or washed from the bottom.  A standard dishwasher design sprays from the bottom, into the upside-down glasses, thus ensuring that the soap and water reaches all crevices, then drains back out.  Likewise the rinse sprays up from the bottom and drains out.  If the water sprays from the top only, it will either *not* reach the inside of glasses or bowls, or not drain out.  Either one is a formula for food poisoning.</p>
<p>Also, modern dishwashers are water and energy efficient in that they pressurize the water to ensure that the rotary spray (from the bottom) is sufficient to loosen dried on food. This cuts down on the need to pre-wash dishes and allows fewer runs of the dishwasher since you can wait to wash only when the machine is full.  In order to ensure thorough cleaning with this design, it would be necessary to either (1) pre-wash/rinse the dishes &#8211; in which case it would be more economical to hand-wash (I&#8217;m with Sean on this one); or (2) wash partial loads immediately after each meal/snack, cup of coffee &#8211; which would be wasteful of water.</p>
<p>&#8220;Green&#8221; energy and water conservation are excellent, and we all need to do what we can and simplicity in design and technology is admirable.  Unfortunately this is a case of a *deeply* flawed, poorly considered design that is in fact *more* wasteful then the &#8220;complex&#8221; tech it proposes to replace.  The added danger of leaving the user in danger of critically harming their own health is an added detraction, although some might just consider that evolution in action.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob from NC</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2009/06/17/simple-tech-common-sense-design/comment-page-1/#comment-99708</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob from NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Michael.

It is a flawed design from a health perspective.  While it may &quot;look pretty&quot; (*NOT!*) it is not going to work.

Deep objects such as glasses, jars and bowls must be either filled/emptied/rinsed/drained, or washed from the bottom.  A standard dishwasher design sprays from the bottom, into the upside-down glasses, thus ensuring that the soap and water reaches all crevices, then drains back out.  Likewise the rinse sprays up from the bottom and drains out.  If the water sprays from the top only, it will either *not* reach the inside of glasses or bowls, or not drain out.  Either one is a formula for food poisoning.

Also, modern dishwashers are water and energy efficient in that they pressurize the water to ensure that the rotary spray (from the bottom) is sufficient to loosen dried on food. This cuts down on the need to pre-wash dishes and allows fewer runs of the dishwasher since you can wait to wash only when the machine is full.  In order to ensure thorough cleaning with this design, it would be necessary to either (1) pre-wash/rinse the dishes - in which case it would be more economical to hand-wash (I&#039;m with Sean on this one); or (2) wash partial loads immediately after each meal/snack, cup of coffee - which would be wasteful of water.

&quot;Green&quot; energy and water conservation are excellent, and we all need to do what we can and simplicity in design and technology is admirable.  Unfortunately this is a case of a *deeply* flawed, poorly considered design that is in fact *more* wasteful then the &quot;complex&quot; tech it proposes to replace.  The added danger of leaving the user in danger of critically harming their own health is an added detraction, although some might just consider that evolution in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Michael.</p>
<p>It is a flawed design from a health perspective.  While it may &#8220;look pretty&#8221; (*NOT!*) it is not going to work.</p>
<p>Deep objects such as glasses, jars and bowls must be either filled/emptied/rinsed/drained, or washed from the bottom.  A standard dishwasher design sprays from the bottom, into the upside-down glasses, thus ensuring that the soap and water reaches all crevices, then drains back out.  Likewise the rinse sprays up from the bottom and drains out.  If the water sprays from the top only, it will either *not* reach the inside of glasses or bowls, or not drain out.  Either one is a formula for food poisoning.</p>
<p>Also, modern dishwashers are water and energy efficient in that they pressurize the water to ensure that the rotary spray (from the bottom) is sufficient to loosen dried on food. This cuts down on the need to pre-wash dishes and allows fewer runs of the dishwasher since you can wait to wash only when the machine is full.  In order to ensure thorough cleaning with this design, it would be necessary to either (1) pre-wash/rinse the dishes &#8211; in which case it would be more economical to hand-wash (I&#8217;m with Sean on this one); or (2) wash partial loads immediately after each meal/snack, cup of coffee &#8211; which would be wasteful of water.</p>
<p>&#8220;Green&#8221; energy and water conservation are excellent, and we all need to do what we can and simplicity in design and technology is admirable.  Unfortunately this is a case of a *deeply* flawed, poorly considered design that is in fact *more* wasteful then the &#8220;complex&#8221; tech it proposes to replace.  The added danger of leaving the user in danger of critically harming their own health is an added detraction, although some might just consider that evolution in action.</p>
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