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		<title>By: acacttipblime</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/09/19/green-building-elements-warmboard/comment-page-1/#comment-19528</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing seems to be easier than seeing someone whom you can help but not helping.
I suggest we start giving it a try. Give love to the ones that need it.
God will appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing seems to be easier than seeing someone whom you can help but not helping.<br />
I suggest we start giving it a try. Give love to the ones that need it.<br />
God will appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: acacttipblime</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/09/19/green-building-elements-warmboard/comment-page-1/#comment-97615</link>
		<dc:creator>acacttipblime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing seems to be easier than seeing someone whom you can help but not helping.
I suggest we start giving it a try. Give love to the ones that need it.
God will appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing seems to be easier than seeing someone whom you can help but not helping.<br />
I suggest we start giving it a try. Give love to the ones that need it.<br />
God will appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Dunsmore</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/09/19/green-building-elements-warmboard/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Dunsmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a concrete-embedded radiant heat system in our Vancouver home and I am in the process of finishing a Warmboard system in our Manitoulin lakehouse.  The layout assistance provided by the Warmboard folks combined with the precise dimensions of the product make this a very easy install.  My contractor put down the subfloor without much fuss just as he would have any other subfloor. The tubing install has involved very few tools and is an excellent place for the owner who wants to do some work to get involved.  Two days for about 3,000&#039; of PEX-AL-PEX installation.  No chemicals used and the only power tools were a drill and a router.

As for the water temperature, with the tubing in contact with the finished floor material the water doesn&#039;t need to be much warmer than the room itself so the wood shouldn&#039;t &quot;cook&quot;.  The Warmboard system does not have to heat the subfloor at all which is a huge saving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a concrete-embedded radiant heat system in our Vancouver home and I am in the process of finishing a Warmboard system in our Manitoulin lakehouse.  The layout assistance provided by the Warmboard folks combined with the precise dimensions of the product make this a very easy install.  My contractor put down the subfloor without much fuss just as he would have any other subfloor. The tubing install has involved very few tools and is an excellent place for the owner who wants to do some work to get involved.  Two days for about 3,000&#8242; of PEX-AL-PEX installation.  No chemicals used and the only power tools were a drill and a router.</p>
<p>As for the water temperature, with the tubing in contact with the finished floor material the water doesn&#8217;t need to be much warmer than the room itself so the wood shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;cook&#8221;.  The Warmboard system does not have to heat the subfloor at all which is a huge saving.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Dunsmore</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/09/19/green-building-elements-warmboard/comment-page-1/#comment-97614</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Dunsmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a concrete-embedded radiant heat system in our Vancouver home and I am in the process of finishing a Warmboard system in our Manitoulin lakehouse.  The layout assistance provided by the Warmboard folks combined with the precise dimensions of the product make this a very easy install.  My contractor put down the subfloor without much fuss just as he would have any other subfloor. The tubing install has involved very few tools and is an excellent place for the owner who wants to do some work to get involved.  Two days for about 3,000&#039; of PEX-AL-PEX installation.  No chemicals used and the only power tools were a drill and a router.

As for the water temperature, with the tubing in contact with the finished floor material the water doesn&#039;t need to be much warmer than the room itself so the wood shouldn&#039;t &quot;cook&quot;.  The Warmboard system does not have to heat the subfloor at all which is a huge saving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a concrete-embedded radiant heat system in our Vancouver home and I am in the process of finishing a Warmboard system in our Manitoulin lakehouse.  The layout assistance provided by the Warmboard folks combined with the precise dimensions of the product make this a very easy install.  My contractor put down the subfloor without much fuss just as he would have any other subfloor. The tubing install has involved very few tools and is an excellent place for the owner who wants to do some work to get involved.  Two days for about 3,000&#8242; of PEX-AL-PEX installation.  No chemicals used and the only power tools were a drill and a router.</p>
<p>As for the water temperature, with the tubing in contact with the finished floor material the water doesn&#8217;t need to be much warmer than the room itself so the wood shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;cook&#8221;.  The Warmboard system does not have to heat the subfloor at all which is a huge saving.</p>
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		<title>By: Marla Florez</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/09/19/green-building-elements-warmboard/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Marla Florez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many ways Warmboard is a contributor to conservation. Warmboard and the heating system components require very little water to operate. Additionally, the high conductivity of the panel leads to lower water temperatures, creating greater efficiency that ultimately benefits the environment in the form of lower energy bills (typically 20 to 40 percent reduced).

The combination of Warmboard and solar energy (or geothermal) is an ideal interface because it is easier to produce water temperatures of 100ºF than 120ºF. We live in a time where heat sources in our lifetime will change to renewable resources. Warmboard has the capability to sustain the change, from non-renewable heat resources to alternative ones.

Additionally, Warmboard contributes to healthy and clean indoor air quality, while providing superior comfort. Germs, dust, pollen and mold spores generally associated with forced air systems do not apply to Warmboard.

Warmboard was recently selected as a Top Ten Green Building Product of 2007 by Sustainable Industries.

Marla Florez, Warmboard Inc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways Warmboard is a contributor to conservation. Warmboard and the heating system components require very little water to operate. Additionally, the high conductivity of the panel leads to lower water temperatures, creating greater efficiency that ultimately benefits the environment in the form of lower energy bills (typically 20 to 40 percent reduced).</p>
<p>The combination of Warmboard and solar energy (or geothermal) is an ideal interface because it is easier to produce water temperatures of 100ºF than 120ºF. We live in a time where heat sources in our lifetime will change to renewable resources. Warmboard has the capability to sustain the change, from non-renewable heat resources to alternative ones.</p>
<p>Additionally, Warmboard contributes to healthy and clean indoor air quality, while providing superior comfort. Germs, dust, pollen and mold spores generally associated with forced air systems do not apply to Warmboard.</p>
<p>Warmboard was recently selected as a Top Ten Green Building Product of 2007 by Sustainable Industries.</p>
<p>Marla Florez, Warmboard Inc.</p>
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		<title>By: Marla Florez</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/09/19/green-building-elements-warmboard/comment-page-1/#comment-97613</link>
		<dc:creator>Marla Florez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many ways Warmboard is a contributor to conservation. Warmboard and the heating system components require very little water to operate. Additionally, the high conductivity of the panel leads to lower water temperatures, creating greater efficiency that ultimately benefits the environment in the form of lower energy bills (typically 20 to 40 percent reduced).

The combination of Warmboard and solar energy (or geothermal) is an ideal interface because it is easier to produce water temperatures of 100ºF than 120ºF. We live in a time where heat sources in our lifetime will change to renewable resources. Warmboard has the capability to sustain the change, from non-renewable heat resources to alternative ones.

Additionally, Warmboard contributes to healthy and clean indoor air quality, while providing superior comfort. Germs, dust, pollen and mold spores generally associated with forced air systems do not apply to Warmboard.

Warmboard was recently selected as a Top Ten Green Building Product of 2007 by Sustainable Industries.

Marla Florez, Warmboard Inc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways Warmboard is a contributor to conservation. Warmboard and the heating system components require very little water to operate. Additionally, the high conductivity of the panel leads to lower water temperatures, creating greater efficiency that ultimately benefits the environment in the form of lower energy bills (typically 20 to 40 percent reduced).</p>
<p>The combination of Warmboard and solar energy (or geothermal) is an ideal interface because it is easier to produce water temperatures of 100ºF than 120ºF. We live in a time where heat sources in our lifetime will change to renewable resources. Warmboard has the capability to sustain the change, from non-renewable heat resources to alternative ones.</p>
<p>Additionally, Warmboard contributes to healthy and clean indoor air quality, while providing superior comfort. Germs, dust, pollen and mold spores generally associated with forced air systems do not apply to Warmboard.</p>
<p>Warmboard was recently selected as a Top Ten Green Building Product of 2007 by Sustainable Industries.</p>
<p>Marla Florez, Warmboard Inc.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Proefrock</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/09/19/green-building-elements-warmboard/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Proefrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;
Fair questions Lloyd.  However, in conventional construction, we run plumbing systems inside floors and walls all the time.  Sometimes there are problems, but not so much so that the practice has been abandoned.&lt;br /&gt;
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Typically, radiant tubing is a single, continuous piece of PEX tubing, so it&#039;s less prone to failure (unless there is a manufacturing problem with the material itself) than a standard plumbing line with its numerous joints and connections.  The PEX connections are typically done at a manifold location which is generally more accessible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thermal lag is more of an issue with radiant systems embedded in concrete.  Warmboard shouldn&#039;t have much lag at all.   Much like a conventional radiator, it should start giving off heat fairly quickly.  It&#039;s just hidden underfloor, rather than being an element in the space.  Underfloor installation makes it much more uniform in its &lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t think that the water temperatures for a radiant system are likely to &#039;cook&#039; the wood they are running with.  
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I&#039;m putting a retrofit radiant system (fastened up from the underside, in the basement, rather than using Warmboard, but since I&#039;m doing it myself, the labor is cheap) into my own house right now, so I&#039;ll have some firsthand experience to report back to you.  
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Fair questions Lloyd.  However, in conventional construction, we run plumbing systems inside floors and walls all the time.  Sometimes there are problems, but not so much so that the practice has been abandoned.</p>
<p>Typically, radiant tubing is a single, continuous piece of PEX tubing, so it&#8217;s less prone to failure (unless there is a manufacturing problem with the material itself) than a standard plumbing line with its numerous joints and connections.  The PEX connections are typically done at a manifold location which is generally more accessible.</p>
<p>Thermal lag is more of an issue with radiant systems embedded in concrete.  Warmboard shouldn&#8217;t have much lag at all.   Much like a conventional radiator, it should start giving off heat fairly quickly.  It&#8217;s just hidden underfloor, rather than being an element in the space.  Underfloor installation makes it much more uniform in its 
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I don&#8217;t think that the water temperatures for a radiant system are likely to &#8216;cook&#8217; the wood they are running with.
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I&#8217;m putting a retrofit radiant system (fastened up from the underside, in the basement, rather than using Warmboard, but since I&#8217;m doing it myself, the labor is cheap) into my own house right now, so I&#8217;ll have some firsthand experience to report back to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Proefrock</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/09/19/green-building-elements-warmboard/comment-page-1/#comment-97612</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Proefrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Fair questions Lloyd.  However, in conventional construction, we run plumbing systems inside floors and walls all the time.  Sometimes there are problems, but not so much so that the practice has been abandoned.

Typically, radiant tubing is a single, continuous piece of PEX tubing, so it&#039;s less prone to failure (unless there is a manufacturing problem with the material itself) than a standard plumbing line with its numerous joints and connections.  The PEX connections are typically done at a manifold location which is generally more accessible.

Thermal lag is more of an issue with radiant systems embedded in concrete.  Warmboard shouldn&#039;t have much lag at all.   Much like a conventional radiator, it should start giving off heat fairly quickly.  It&#039;s just hidden underfloor, rather than being an element in the space.  Underfloor installation makes it much more uniform in its 


I don&#039;t think that the water temperatures for a radiant system are likely to &#039;cook&#039; the wood they are running with.  


I&#039;m putting a retrofit radiant system (fastened up from the underside, in the basement, rather than using Warmboard, but since I&#039;m doing it myself, the labor is cheap) into my own house right now, so I&#039;ll have some firsthand experience to report back to you.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair questions Lloyd.  However, in conventional construction, we run plumbing systems inside floors and walls all the time.  Sometimes there are problems, but not so much so that the practice has been abandoned.</p>
<p>Typically, radiant tubing is a single, continuous piece of PEX tubing, so it&#8217;s less prone to failure (unless there is a manufacturing problem with the material itself) than a standard plumbing line with its numerous joints and connections.  The PEX connections are typically done at a manifold location which is generally more accessible.</p>
<p>Thermal lag is more of an issue with radiant systems embedded in concrete.  Warmboard shouldn&#8217;t have much lag at all.   Much like a conventional radiator, it should start giving off heat fairly quickly.  It&#8217;s just hidden underfloor, rather than being an element in the space.  Underfloor installation makes it much more uniform in its </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that the water temperatures for a radiant system are likely to &#8216;cook&#8217; the wood they are running with.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m putting a retrofit radiant system (fastened up from the underside, in the basement, rather than using Warmboard, but since I&#8217;m doing it myself, the labor is cheap) into my own house right now, so I&#8217;ll have some firsthand experience to report back to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Alter</title>
		<link>http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/09/19/green-building-elements-warmboard/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Alter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am beginning to have doubts about these wood radiant floor systems. I installed a big one, and wonder 

a) about the logic of embedding all of this piping in a system where if anything goes wrong, it will be impossible to find and fix without tearing up a whole lot of house; a duct is just a simple pipe for air, not much can go wrong and not much can happen if it does;

b) there is a huge issue of thermal lag. we talk about setback thermostats as being one of the best ways to save energy, but a radiant floor system takes hours to change temperature.

c) I just cannot imagine what wood that is cooked half the year like this is going to look like in ten years, but I suspect it will be dried and warped beyond use, and I am not certain that the &quot;engineered&quot; floors are any better.

I used to think that radiant flooring was really green, because it put the heat in the right place and one felt much warmer at a lower temperature. I am no longer so sure. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beginning to have doubts about these wood radiant floor systems. I installed a big one, and wonder </p>
<p>a) about the logic of embedding all of this piping in a system where if anything goes wrong, it will be impossible to find and fix without tearing up a whole lot of house; a duct is just a simple pipe for air, not much can go wrong and not much can happen if it does;</p>
<p>b) there is a huge issue of thermal lag. we talk about setback thermostats as being one of the best ways to save energy, but a radiant floor system takes hours to change temperature.</p>
<p>c) I just cannot imagine what wood that is cooked half the year like this is going to look like in ten years, but I suspect it will be dried and warped beyond use, and I am not certain that the &#8220;engineered&#8221; floors are any better.</p>
<p>I used to think that radiant flooring was really green, because it put the heat in the right place and one felt much warmer at a lower temperature. I am no longer so sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Alter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Alter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am beginning to have doubts about these wood radiant floor systems. I installed a big one, and wonder 

a) about the logic of embedding all of this piping in a system where if anything goes wrong, it will be impossible to find and fix without tearing up a whole lot of house; a duct is just a simple pipe for air, not much can go wrong and not much can happen if it does;

b) there is a huge issue of thermal lag. we talk about setback thermostats as being one of the best ways to save energy, but a radiant floor system takes hours to change temperature.

c) I just cannot imagine what wood that is cooked half the year like this is going to look like in ten years, but I suspect it will be dried and warped beyond use, and I am not certain that the &quot;engineered&quot; floors are any better.

I used to think that radiant flooring was really green, because it put the heat in the right place and one felt much warmer at a lower temperature. I am no longer so sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beginning to have doubts about these wood radiant floor systems. I installed a big one, and wonder </p>
<p>a) about the logic of embedding all of this piping in a system where if anything goes wrong, it will be impossible to find and fix without tearing up a whole lot of house; a duct is just a simple pipe for air, not much can go wrong and not much can happen if it does;</p>
<p>b) there is a huge issue of thermal lag. we talk about setback thermostats as being one of the best ways to save energy, but a radiant floor system takes hours to change temperature.</p>
<p>c) I just cannot imagine what wood that is cooked half the year like this is going to look like in ten years, but I suspect it will be dried and warped beyond use, and I am not certain that the &#8220;engineered&#8221; floors are any better.</p>
<p>I used to think that radiant flooring was really green, because it put the heat in the right place and one felt much warmer at a lower temperature. I am no longer so sure.</p>
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