Comments on: What If Plug-In Hybrids Work? http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/ Reporting on Sustainably Built Environments from Bricks to Cities Fri, 03 Feb 2012 01:57:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Philip Proefrock http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-89 Philip Proefrock Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:55:13 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-89 <p> What a range of comments! It's hard to imagine they all refer to the same article. Obviously this is a topic that people are interested in. </p> <p> To the Unregistered User who calls this article "...anti-electric car propaganda" I can only suggest you re-read the article. When I conclude the article with the statement "The likely outcome of increasing numbers of plug-in hybrids (and other electric vehicles) seems likely to be a net environmental positive," I don't see how I'm being anti-electric car. </p> <p> For the other Unregistered User (if your comment was, in fact, addressed to me), older and undersized wiring may be present in many homes, and depending on the charging scheme in use it may or may not be adequate for charging a PHEV without overheating the wiring. Given the present infrastructure, I agree, it's likely to be a straightforward 120v connection. But, since no one is yet producing a mainstream PHEV, we don't know what their requirements are going to be. </p> <p> The UC Davis team at ChallengeX had two 120 volt connections on their vehicle, for better charging. http://www.greenoptions.com/2007/06/11/challengex_gm_supports_alternative_vehicle_research </p> <p> Will a single 15A circuit be adequate, or will it be better to have a larger, dedicated circuit? What about having 2 PHEVs in a garage on the same circuit? I don't think these are insurmountable issues at all, but just some of the additional issues that need to be addressed in making the PHEV a mainstream reality. </p> What a range of comments! It’s hard to imagine they all refer to the same article. Obviously this is a topic that people are interested in.

To the Unregistered User who calls this article "…anti-electric car propaganda" I can only suggest you re-read the article. When I conclude the article with the statement "The likely outcome of increasing numbers of plug-in hybrids (and other electric vehicles) seems likely to be a net environmental positive," I don’t see how I’m being anti-electric car.

For the other Unregistered User (if your comment was, in fact, addressed to me), older and undersized wiring may be present in many homes, and depending on the charging scheme in use it may or may not be adequate for charging a PHEV without overheating the wiring. Given the present infrastructure, I agree, it’s likely to be a straightforward 120v connection. But, since no one is yet producing a mainstream PHEV, we don’t know what their requirements are going to be.

The UC Davis team at ChallengeX had two 120 volt connections on their vehicle, for better charging.
http://www.greenoptions.com/2007/06/11/challengex_gm_supports_alternative_vehicle_research

Will a single 15A circuit be adequate, or will it be better to have a larger, dedicated circuit? What about having 2 PHEVs in a garage on the same circuit? I don’t think these are insurmountable issues at all, but just some of the additional issues that need to be addressed in making the PHEV a mainstream reality.

]]> By: Philip Proefrock http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-97582 Philip Proefrock Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:55:00 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-97582 What a range of comments! It's hard to imagine they all refer to the same article. Obviously this is a topic that people are interested in. To the Unregistered User who calls this article "...anti-electric car propaganda" I can only suggest you re-read the article. When I conclude the article with the statement "The likely outcome of increasing numbers of plug-in hybrids (and other electric vehicles) seems likely to be a net environmental positive," I don't see how I'm being anti-electric car. For the other Unregistered User (if your comment was, in fact, addressed to me), older and undersized wiring may be present in many homes, and depending on the charging scheme in use it may or may not be adequate for charging a PHEV without overheating the wiring. Given the present infrastructure, I agree, it's likely to be a straightforward 120v connection. But, since no one is yet producing a mainstream PHEV, we don't know what their requirements are going to be. The UC Davis team at ChallengeX had two 120 volt connections on their vehicle, for better charging. http://www.greenoptions.com/2007/06/11/challengex_gm_supports_alternative_vehicle_research Will a single 15A circuit be adequate, or will it be better to have a larger, dedicated circuit? What about having 2 PHEVs in a garage on the same circuit? I don't think these are insurmountable issues at all, but just some of the additional issues that need to be addressed in making the PHEV a mainstream reality. What a range of comments! It’s hard to imagine they all refer to the same article. Obviously this is a topic that people are interested in.

To the Unregistered User who calls this article "…anti-electric car propaganda" I can only suggest you re-read the article. When I conclude the article with the statement "The likely outcome of increasing numbers of plug-in hybrids (and other electric vehicles) seems likely to be a net environmental positive," I don’t see how I’m being anti-electric car.

For the other Unregistered User (if your comment was, in fact, addressed to me), older and undersized wiring may be present in many homes, and depending on the charging scheme in use it may or may not be adequate for charging a PHEV without overheating the wiring. Given the present infrastructure, I agree, it’s likely to be a straightforward 120v connection. But, since no one is yet producing a mainstream PHEV, we don’t know what their requirements are going to be.

The UC Davis team at ChallengeX had two 120 volt connections on their vehicle, for better charging.
http://www.greenoptions.com/2007/06/11/challengex_gm_supports_alternative_vehicle_research

Will a single 15A circuit be adequate, or will it be better to have a larger, dedicated circuit? What about having 2 PHEVs in a garage on the same circuit? I don’t think these are insurmountable issues at all, but just some of the additional issues that need to be addressed in making the PHEV a mainstream reality.

]]> By: Unregistered User http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-88 Unregistered User Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:52:26 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-88 Mr. Proefrock. Your check is in the mail. You know, the one from the oil companies? The one they paid you to write this totally uninformed, idiotic, anti-electric car propaganda article? Next time, do a little more research before you write about electric cars. Most of us know that you can charge an electric car with about the same amount of energy it takes to use a blow dryer for 15 minutes. And the majority of folks will be charging them in the evening or at night during "low demand" hours for the electric companies. And how about charging them with solar energy from your solar home? You can't get much "greener" than that. And can you imagine how much quieter our cities (not to mention cleaner!) will be when we're all driving ev's? And besides, I'm sure they'll come with "horns" installed, so you'll be sure and hear me coming. Mr. Proefrock. Your check is in the mail. You know, the one from the oil companies? The one they paid you to write this totally uninformed, idiotic, anti-electric car propaganda article? Next time, do a little more research before you write about electric cars. Most of us know that you can charge an electric car with about the same amount of energy it takes to use a blow dryer for 15 minutes. And the majority of folks will be charging them in the evening or at night during “low demand” hours for the electric companies. And how about charging them with solar energy from your solar home? You can’t get much “greener” than that. And can you imagine how much quieter our cities (not to mention cleaner!) will be when we’re all driving ev’s? And besides, I’m sure they’ll come with “horns” installed, so you’ll be sure and hear me coming.

]]> By: Unregistered User http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-97581 Unregistered User Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:52:00 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-97581 Mr. Proefrock. Your check is in the mail. You know, the one from the oil companies? The one they paid you to write this totally uninformed, idiotic, anti-electric car propaganda article? Next time, do a little more research before you write about electric cars. Most of us know that you can charge an electric car with about the same amount of energy it takes to use a blow dryer for 15 minutes. And the majority of folks will be charging them in the evening or at night during "low demand" hours for the electric companies. And how about charging them with solar energy from your solar home? You can't get much "greener" than that. And can you imagine how much quieter our cities (not to mention cleaner!) will be when we're all driving ev's? And besides, I'm sure they'll come with "horns" installed, so you'll be sure and hear me coming. Mr. Proefrock. Your check is in the mail. You know, the one from the oil companies? The one they paid you to write this totally uninformed, idiotic, anti-electric car propaganda article? Next time, do a little more research before you write about electric cars. Most of us know that you can charge an electric car with about the same amount of energy it takes to use a blow dryer for 15 minutes. And the majority of folks will be charging them in the evening or at night during “low demand” hours for the electric companies. And how about charging them with solar energy from your solar home? You can’t get much “greener” than that. And can you imagine how much quieter our cities (not to mention cleaner!) will be when we’re all driving ev’s? And besides, I’m sure they’ll come with “horns” installed, so you’ll be sure and hear me coming.

]]> By: Hugh E Webber http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-87 Hugh E Webber Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:03:19 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-87 As a member of the Electric Auto Association, I am gratified to see another myth debunked publicly, the long-tailpipe objection. This is the disinformation most-quoted by petro-centric drivers who think that gasoline magically appears in the pump (without the thousand-percent energy penalty of petro-fuel production, compared with electricity.) <P>Only the mass-production of safe, large-format lithium batteries remains before we have widespread availability of EVs. As a member of the Electric Auto Association, I am gratified to see another myth debunked publicly, the long-tailpipe objection. This is the disinformation most-quoted by petro-centric drivers who think that gasoline magically appears in the pump (without the thousand-percent energy penalty of petro-fuel production, compared with electricity.)

Only the mass-production of safe, large-format lithium batteries remains before we have widespread availability of EVs.

]]> By: Hugh E Webber http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-97580 Hugh E Webber Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:03:00 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-97580 As a member of the Electric Auto Association, I am gratified to see another myth debunked publicly, the long-tailpipe objection. This is the disinformation most-quoted by petro-centric drivers who think that gasoline magically appears in the pump (without the thousand-percent energy penalty of petro-fuel production, compared with electricity.) Only the mass-production of safe, large-format lithium batteries remains before we have widespread availability of EVs. As a member of the Electric Auto Association, I am gratified to see another myth debunked publicly, the long-tailpipe objection. This is the disinformation most-quoted by petro-centric drivers who think that gasoline magically appears in the pump (without the thousand-percent energy penalty of petro-fuel production, compared with electricity.)
Only the mass-production of safe, large-format lithium batteries remains before we have widespread availability of EVs.

]]> By: Unregistered User http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Unregistered User Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:58:13 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-86 I have no idea what this guy is referring to, since every plug-in I've read about mentions a plain Jane 120 volt outlet. Since when did any garage or home not have a whole lot of those? If they allow for 240 volt, well, you've got a dryer outlet and an electric stove outlet. take your pick. Or simply run some emt from your service panel to your car's parking area and add another 240 volt outlet (GFI). This is hard to understand? Are we electrically challenged around here? I have no idea what this guy is referring to, since every plug-in I’ve read about mentions a plain Jane 120 volt outlet. Since when did any garage or home not have a whole lot of those? If they allow for 240 volt, well, you’ve got a dryer outlet and an electric stove outlet.
take your pick. Or simply run some emt from your service panel to your car’s parking area and add another 240 volt
outlet (GFI). This is hard to understand? Are we electrically challenged around here?

]]> By: Unregistered User http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-97579 Unregistered User Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:58:00 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-97579 I have no idea what this guy is referring to, since every plug-in I've read about mentions a plain Jane 120 volt outlet. Since when did any garage or home not have a whole lot of those? If they allow for 240 volt, well, you've got a dryer outlet and an electric stove outlet. take your pick. Or simply run some emt from your service panel to your car's parking area and add another 240 volt outlet (GFI). This is hard to understand? Are we electrically challenged around here? I have no idea what this guy is referring to, since every plug-in I’ve read about mentions a plain Jane 120 volt outlet. Since when did any garage or home not have a whole lot of those? If they allow for 240 volt, well, you’ve got a dryer outlet and an electric stove outlet.
take your pick. Or simply run some emt from your service panel to your car’s parking area and add another 240 volt
outlet (GFI). This is hard to understand? Are we electrically challenged around here?

]]> By: Unregistered UserCharlie Peters http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Unregistered UserCharlie Peters Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:48:56 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-85 How about improving the system we have? Ask for a fuel ethanol waiver allowed in the 2005 energy bill Fuel ethanol uses lots of water Audit "Smog Check" to fix the fault in more of the failed cars Chief Sherry Mehl, DCA/BAR, has never found out if what is broken on a Smog Check failed car gets fixed, never Improving Smog Check and fuel policy can cut car impact in half in 1 year and save money About $20 billion in savings in first year I'm confused about promoting products from offshore rather than improving our system Clean Air Performance Professionals How about improving the system we have?

Ask for a fuel ethanol waiver allowed in the 2005 energy bill

Fuel ethanol uses lots of water

Audit “Smog Check” to fix the fault in more of the failed cars

Chief Sherry Mehl, DCA/BAR, has never found out if what is broken on a Smog Check failed car gets fixed, never

Improving Smog Check and fuel policy can cut car impact in half in 1 year and save money

About $20 billion in savings in first year

I’m confused about promoting products from offshore rather than improving our system

Clean Air Performance Professionals

]]> By: Unregistered UserCharlie Peter http://greenbuildingelements.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/comment-page-1/#comment-97578 Unregistered UserCharlie Peter Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:48:00 +0000 http://philipproefrock.greenoptions.com/2007/07/23/what-if-plug-in-hybrids-work/#comment-97578 How about improving the system we have? Ask for a fuel ethanol waiver allowed in the 2005 energy bill Fuel ethanol uses lots of water Audit "Smog Check" to fix the fault in more of the failed cars Chief Sherry Mehl, DCA/BAR, has never found out if what is broken on a Smog Check failed car gets fixed, never Improving Smog Check and fuel policy can cut car impact in half in 1 year and save money About $20 billion in savings in first year I'm confused about promoting products from offshore rather than improving our system Clean Air Performance Professionals How about improving the system we have?

Ask for a fuel ethanol waiver allowed in the 2005 energy bill

Fuel ethanol uses lots of water

Audit “Smog Check” to fix the fault in more of the failed cars

Chief Sherry Mehl, DCA/BAR, has never found out if what is broken on a Smog Check failed car gets fixed, never

Improving Smog Check and fuel policy can cut car impact in half in 1 year and save money

About $20 billion in savings in first year

I’m confused about promoting products from offshore rather than improving our system

Clean Air Performance Professionals

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